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about UFOs this week we are gonna make

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first contact with the world of ufology

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and speak with the one person who knows

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Ryan Sprague we're going to look at what

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you follow G happens to be and how Ryan

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conducts his research and in our SAS

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class we're gonna discuss with Ryan how

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the study of UFOs Believe It or Not has

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I'm Jason the derm guy tempo and I'm

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gonna probe your brain with tales of the

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unknown and how we're trying to find

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answers it's time to get started this is

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the super awesome science show have you

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ever looked up to the sky and seen a

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you know it can't be a star or an

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airplane and it's too big to be a

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satellite instead it's something

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different and it's like nothing you've

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ever seen before three letters

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immediately enter your mind you f o now

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why is a science podcast looking at UFOs

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well when you think about it technically

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an unidentified flying object can be

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anything that is not identified it's

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just that those three letters have

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become synonymous with extraterrestrial

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spacecraft there's an entire culture

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revolved around UFOs people across the

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globe are working tirelessly to find an

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answer to those sightings that defy

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human logic and when you think about it

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that's the basis of science to discover

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answers to how the world and universe

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understand it in science there's always

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a method that needs to be followed one

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must have an objective a hypothesis

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materials and methods results in

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eventually if possible conclusion and

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decipher what many UFO sightings happen

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but not every sighting can be explained

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and for that more research needs to be

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done enter you follow G while not

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anytime soon although there was a

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short-lived one called the European

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ABC News Science Channel Travel Channel

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The CW seed Network one of the people

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dedicated to this research is Ryan

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television work he also is the host of

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his podcast somewhere in the skies if

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anyone can tell us about what you follow

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that we have created in what we call the

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UFO field it's honestly just the study

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of your host it's as simple as that it

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encompasses everything having to do with

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unidentified flying objects literally

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what the acronym means a term that was

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national security implications to these

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objects being in our skies and our own

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military not being able to identify them

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when they would intercept these things

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in our skies so it's sort of a term that

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we're trying to move past in the UFO

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with aliens and from what it sounds like

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either I'm doing interviews or

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documentaries and whatnot explaining to

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people that you have to separate the

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alien the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

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as it were from the UFO we have

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absolutely no definitive proof that

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these UFOs what everyday people are

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seeing in our skies are alien now we

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have claims we have theories and it is

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definitely a viable theory as to what

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these are but we don't have that

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definitive proof that

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what we're seeing our skies have

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anything to do with aliens so I'm glad

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you you brought that up because I do

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feel like I spent a lot of time and

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energy separating the UFO from the

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aliens who or perhaps what was the spark

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that started people wanting to learn

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more about UFOs we've had no reports

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UFO era as we call it back in 1947 when

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the Roswell incident happened or Kenneth

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flying discs in the sky over Mount

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Rainier in Washington this is where the

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real modern UFO era started and these

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cases these early cases were

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investigated by the US Air Force and the

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government and their project Bluebook

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and that was headed by a guy an

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astronomer named J Allen Hynek this guy

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field he was hired to to to debunk these

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cases he created two really important

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classification systems that we use to

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this day actually first one was

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relatively distant sighting so we're

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talking like just lights in the sky at

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night everyone sees these things and a

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daylight people are seeing objects of

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all different shapes that they can

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visual sightings so this is literally

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system you know everyone knows the movie

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he started it with Close Encounters one

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which is a UFO sighting where a witness

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or an object it does not interact

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whatsoever with a person or the

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is a bit closer but this can clearly

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make out an object or see some sort of

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physical effect on themselves or the

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environment and then we famously have

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Close Encounters 3 and that's perhaps

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Interactive's where a person sees some

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sort of occupant or intelligence behind

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what they're seeing this UFO so you know

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hynek's created this system after being

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extremely skeptical of UFOs he wanted to

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narrow in and find an explanation for

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all of them but he couldn't you know he

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works for this project for many years

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and there were over 800 cases that they

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project Bluebook could not readily

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explain so times of the most famous

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individuals on the possibility that a

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lot of these UFOs could be of

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extraterrestrial origin and that's what

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excites us most is even when the

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government tried to debunk UFOs and tell

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the public there's nothing to worry

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some stuff to worry about and it's an

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you searching for out there I guess that

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really hits on a point that ufology for

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so long has never been given the credit

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it deserves but now it seems like

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there's more evidence suggesting that

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indeed it is a credible branch of study

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community of people who like like we

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mentioned sort of live in the shadows in

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an echo chamber preaching to one another

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UFOs are real UFOs are real they go to

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these conferences they trade old UFO

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the overall perception of the UFO

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phenomenon we acknowledge me I would say

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scientific communities for so many years

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been saying there's nothing to UFOs they

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pose no threat there's a prosaic

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explanation for most if not all of these

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things but then we come to find out you

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know within the last couple years and

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even I've seen the UFO field did not

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know this that the government was still

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investigating UFOs there was a secret

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UFO program that have been running for

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almost a decade looking at UFO reports

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from strictly the military so we're

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soldiers reporting UFOs and this came in

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the form in the New York Times an

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article where several Navy pilots came

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forward and said that they had seen

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objects over the water when they were

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doing training exercises interacting

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with their own aircraft and making

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impossible maneuvers

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you know ascending and descending

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thousands of feet in the air

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within seconds which to me sounds and

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impossible no human being could survive

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mainstream media was covering the UFO

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place or on the news of UFOs are here we

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don't really know what they are the

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military doesn't pretend to have any

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answers but we are looking into them and

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we have new protocol to report them

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within the military so when you have

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your own military government saying UFOs

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exist that is a huge huge step because

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they did not do that for so long for me

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the real question now lies in what are

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they who's in control of them and what

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do they want we were in a new I would

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say paradigm shift when it comes to

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ufology and what it can be what it was

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and potentially what it means to all of

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us yeah it's a new era it's exciting I

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am finding myself reinvigorated you get

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so caught up in these things and I guess

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tired at times because no one was really

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listening for so long but now we've been

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given the microphone and we're hoarse

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streaming it from the rooftops and UFOs

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are here

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ufology strives to follow similar

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methods to other branches of science

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however in most cases of UFO

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investigations the materials for

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concrete analysis are simply not

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available most evidence is related

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through recounted observations

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there's nothing tangible and therein

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lies the issue with ufology as a science

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instead of hard data we hear stories see

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drawings and are witness to photos and

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videos which may be blurry or pixelated

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and that brings up the issue of trust

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can we trust the people who have

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experienced a UFO sighting or some other

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type of encounter would you trust me if

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I told you I've seen a UFO twice in fact

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Trust is hard to gain and easy to lose

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but for Ryan the way to build that trust

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as you start an investigation is to open

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up your mind and listen what is your

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objective being an investigator my

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objective mainly is to listen Jason I

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I'd like to say my objective is to solve

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the UFO phenomena that's like my my

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dream if it were to be as an

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investigator but I don't think or

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anywhere close to really doing that

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he'll bring to feel that way but it's

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just like any other field of silence

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like it continues to progress and just

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when you think you have an answer

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something turns around and shows you

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differently so my objective is really

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just to be a listening ear to those who

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have had the courage to come forward

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with a UFO report when I'm not doing

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this investigating UFOs I am a writer a

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playwright mainly here in New York City

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and I've always been fascinated by

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characters you know people and how they

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change you know within the course of a

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play your character your main character

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as it were leads to change somehow and

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the play also has to be the most pivotal

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moment in their life or one of the most

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pivotal moments or otherwise why are we

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following them so so mean it comes down

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to the people having these UFO

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experiences people in all walks of life

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there's these cliches that only people

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in the backwoods drinking beer or the

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ones reporting UFOs

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invest simply not the case its doctors

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its law enforcement it's professors

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scientists priests you name it these are

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the people reporting UFOs so for me it

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comes down to the people and sort of

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shedding that stigma or ridicule factor

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that comes with talking about UFOs for

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me I hope that once I start hearing

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their stories once more and more people

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come forward we can begin to normalize

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the topic and have bigger wider and more

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insightful conversations about the UFOs

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it sounds almost like what we call

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knowledge brokers in science where

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you're taking the experience of the

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science and you're putting it in such a

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way that it becomes relevant to the

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public when we do it we have to go

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through academic journals to be able to

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share information and then we have to

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sort of translate that for you you you

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go through very different means

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ABC News Fox News Channel Travel Channel

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mysteries at the museum

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your podcast somewhere in the skies and

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now the show Roswell mysteries decoded

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on CW how do you manage to be able to

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share what you hear in such a way that

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it still is meaningful to an audience

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it's exciting to see how sort of I guess

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mainstream media outlets cover the topic

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of UFOs usually it's a very surface

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level or sensational approach I mean you

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have so many of these television shows

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that people going out in hunting down

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ghosts are hunting down aliens and it's

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usually for entertainment to be

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completely honest even when it pretends

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to be informational or educational and I

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often use this term Jason I love this

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infotainment there has to be this way

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you have to engage an audience and

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that's what television is for but you

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also have to inform them and as an

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investigator moving into that medium of

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television or documentaries or movies I

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don't want to lose sight of informing

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the public with what I've discovered

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what me and my colleagues have come up

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with so with shows like mysteries at the

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museum

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or Roswell mysteries decoded or our

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upcoming

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mr. Easter Koated where we go deeper

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into other stuff I strive to sort of

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break that routine and really make the

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topic of UFOs something more than just

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cool or scary stories I want people to

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think and and not forget what they just

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saw or heard so many of these shows you

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watch it hmm interesting move on with

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your life you don't even think about it

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the next day I want people to go out and

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search the cases that I cover on

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mysteries at the museum or mysteries

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decoded I want them to google it the

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next day and get caught up in that

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rabbit hole I did when I first started

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reading about these historical UFO

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events Roswell Rendlesham in 1980

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another famous UFO case there's so many

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rich case histories out there of

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credible UFO accounts and it's cool to

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see a two-minute segment on the news or

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on a TV show but when you really start

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to dive in and get to the core of who

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are seeing these things what's been

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reported that's when I know that it's

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leaving a lasting impression in my field

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we've got anti-vaxxers they frustrate us

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so much they spread disinformation and

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when you try and put good information

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out there you get trolled I imagine you

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follow gee must be suffering that same

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frustration considering its already

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having a bit of a difficulty trying to

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just be relevant as a science absolutely

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and I try Jason to steer away from

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politics when it comes to UFOs but

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there's there's no way around it there

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are several of my own listeners of my

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podcast who contact me almost weekly or

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daily and they try to convince me to

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cover like let's take the Flat Earth

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theory for instance but I'm very

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open-minded

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clearly I'm a ufologist I'm very very

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open-minded but there comes a point

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where you know the information I choose

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to cover let's say once I disseminate

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that out to the public people do listen

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to what I have to say and I'm not saying

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I'm always right

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earth always eloquent or anything like

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that but there's such things like the

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Flat Earth or anti-vaccine that are

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simply anti science

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let's be honest and in they're dangerous

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they're dangerous to the public and I

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can say right here right now I do not in

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any way shape or form promote

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anti-vaccine Flat Earth theory or things

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like let's say queueing on these are

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conspiracy theories based on extremely

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bad information sometimes even

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disinformation and this sometimes it's

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just pure fantasy so for us in mythology

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it's super hard when you're dealing with

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phenomena that seem to sort of defies

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logic and break all the rules of our own

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scientific method terms of like physics

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or time of space even chemistry

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sometimes how do you even begin to

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really look at UFO sighting when you

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have these detractors as you said I like

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to think of UFOs as kind of the

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punk-rock version of science Israel is

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against everything we're taught so UFOs

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as punk-rock I have several colleagues

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who write specifically about this it

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must uses to play by standards or rules

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state the facts progressed with the

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science and to ignore those who are

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trying to stop that it's asked last time

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and today we're gonna look at how you

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follow gee maybe more mainstream than

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you might imagine a few months back a 21

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year old named Mattie Roberts made a

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single social media post suggesting that

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people all gathered to storm area 51

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it's thought to be the hub of UFO

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intelligence engineering and maybe some

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aliens before he knew it the post went

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viral and some 1.5 million people were

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on board for their own invasion if

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you're worried about the aliens don't be

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the raid has been called off because of

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some not-so-subtle warnings from the US

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military

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Ryan has talked at Maddy Roberts and has

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his own perspective about the

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mainstreaming of ufology and as we're

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about to find out you're gonna be

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hearing a lot more about UFOs as time

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goes on how is it possible that so many

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people decided to sign on to what was

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initially a joke that is

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a really good question that I'm still

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trying to figure out myself to be honest

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it's the enemy of an idea catching on

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and in this day and age it becomes a

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meme this is the age of social

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networking and just explodes for no

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apparent reason to me it's almost as

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animatic as UFOs themselves if you

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really look at it I've personally spoken

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to Mattie Roberts the kid who started

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this whole storm area 51 Facebook event

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and he is just as blindsided and

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overwhelmed by all of this as I think

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anyone would be when they find

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themselves caught in the middle of

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internet viral experience he's confused

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he's scared she's curious but he's also

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being very cautious and I think that's a

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really good thing he told me that the

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FBI actually came to his home to

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question him about his motives with this

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raid area 51 alien stock whatever it's

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sort of manifesting or morphing into

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they wanted to know what his intentions

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were from the start with this whole

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thing and he told them it was a jump

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it's 2:00 in the morning I was I was

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high I was like questioning life

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elsewhere in the universe site I watched

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a documentary about area 51 and listened

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to a podcast and I just jokingly said

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let's find the aliens in area 51 so

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we're kind of wrapped up in something

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that this guy Matty Roberts never

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expected and he's trying to sort of make

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the best of it and embrace the platform

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he's been given it's kind of not so much

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a storm the gates of area 51 let's have

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a good time in the desert let's get some

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music some barbecue some beers but let's

549
00:24:27,159 --> 00:24:24,470
also educate people about area 51 what

550
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:27,169
is the history behind this this place it

551
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:29,210
goes back really far some of our most

552
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:31,730
advanced aircraft were developed here

553
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:34,250
back during the Cold War everything so

554
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:37,370
let's have people that worked at area 51

555
00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:39,770
come talk about the stuff they can talk

556
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:43,400
about and let's also get physicists out

557
00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:46,220
to talk about how if we are in

558
00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:49,040
possession of let's say a UFO that

559
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:49,700
crashed

560
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,010
in Roswell New Mexico was shipped off to

561
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:54,799
area 51 how do we begin to reverse

562
00:24:59,799 --> 00:24:57,710
engineer a technology we know nothing

563
00:25:01,930 --> 00:24:59,809
about so it's pretty cool there's

564
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:01,940
getting scientists they're getting UFO

565
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:04,490
researchers they're getting bands who

566
00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:06,710
love this thing about aliens and stuff

567
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,519
out there to make it something fun and

568
00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:11,600
educational like I mentioned earlier

569
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before finding a way to bridge that gap

570
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between entertainment and information

571
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my only concern when it comes to this

572
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:21,409
man is you know there are gonna be

573
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people who'd go out there and try to

574
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:27,019
breach that gate at area 51 and I I'll

575
00:25:31,629 --> 00:25:29,000
be honest I was out there about a month

576
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:31,639
ago at the gates of area 51 I have

577
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:34,250
experience with this they do not mess

578
00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:36,289
around and when it comes to people

579
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,600
wanting that Instagram photo or that

580
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:41,360
YouTube video to go viral you know

581
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:44,330
someone's gonna try it so I just hope

582
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,760
hope hope and pray that people are smart

583
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enough not to do anything because at the

584
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end of the day it's a military

585
00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:52,250
installation it's there for a reason

586
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:54,830
it's highly guarded and we need that

587
00:25:58,330 --> 00:25:56,450
sort of Defense when it comes to

588
00:26:00,779 --> 00:25:58,340
protecting our own country here in

589
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,789
America it seems like it is

590
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,440
mainstreaming counterculture all over

591
00:26:06,370 --> 00:26:05,600
again we saw with Woodstock we saw with

592
00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:06,380
Burning Man

593
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:09,380
Coachella goodness gracious Kanye is now

594
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:11,929
having Sunday service at Coachella it's

595
00:26:15,970 --> 00:26:13,490
almost like there's an underlying

596
00:26:19,629 --> 00:26:15,980
message that the world is ready to

597
00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:19,639
accept ufology and also possibly the

598
00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:23,539
idea that we really are not alone yes an

599
00:26:29,019 --> 00:26:26,389
alien stock is a prime example of that

600
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:29,029
Jason you make a good point that we have

601
00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:31,190
been a counterculture for so long this

602
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:33,470
subculture owns tinfoil hat wearing

603
00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:36,710
conspiracy there is UFO people and now

604
00:26:42,250 --> 00:26:39,230
because of these stories coming out with

605
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,260
Navy pilots technology of UFOs you know

606
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:45,440
the New York Times or Fox News or CNN

607
00:26:52,029 --> 00:26:49,250
covering UFOs at a constant rate now we

608
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,039
live in a new age and we are becoming

609
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,320
mainstream and alien stock is a prime

610
00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:56,480
example you have companies like Bud

611
00:27:01,509 --> 00:26:58,940
Light overnight mind you after this

612
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,519
thing went by or create a area51

613
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:02,799
beer

614
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:07,030
you know like you have hate mainstream

615
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,350
that's tough because you look at things

616
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:11,360
like Woodstock or Coachella and it

617
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:14,960
started as one thing and then it becomes

618
00:27:20,529 --> 00:27:18,320
such a bigger beast or monster and

619
00:27:22,659 --> 00:27:20,539
people start to really profit off of it

620
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:22,669
take advantage of it and in terms of

621
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:24,710
like alien stock look at this tone of

622
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:25,640
Rachel Nevada

623
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,970
it's the closest town to area 51 I was

624
00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:30,799
out there like I said a month ago this

625
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:33,230
is one small restaurant and a couple

626
00:27:38,169 --> 00:27:35,480
trailers that's it thousands and

627
00:27:40,419 --> 00:27:38,179
thousands of people May when the saline

628
00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:40,429
stock thing happens venture out there

629
00:27:45,549 --> 00:27:43,070
and this small town just can't be ready

630
00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:45,559
for something like that but they are

631
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:48,140
going to do whatever they can to take

632
00:27:53,169 --> 00:27:50,990
advantage of that and milk it for every

633
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:53,179
penny they possibly can and honestly I

634
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:55,010
can't blame them if you're struggling

635
00:28:00,190 --> 00:27:57,890
town on the cusp of possibly another

636
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:00,200
recession why wouldn't you take

637
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:02,330
advantage of turrets my greatest hope is

638
00:28:08,909 --> 00:28:06,169
that people can sort of move past alien

639
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:08,919
stock and funnel their time their energy

640
00:28:14,289 --> 00:28:11,990
their money even for something worth

641
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:14,299
helping not demanding answers from a

642
00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:15,370
National Defense and military

643
00:28:20,140 --> 00:28:17,870
installation that's never gonna happen

644
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,150
but maybe maybe they can help the

645
00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:21,919
environment somehow or you know both

646
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:23,480
hunger things like that that actually

647
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:26,210
matters so I hope alien stock can

648
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:28,760
provide those sort of organizations some

649
00:28:33,399 --> 00:28:31,070
sort of platform at their event you know

650
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:33,409
donate any type of proceeds to charities

651
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:35,510
I just what just let the wait and see

652
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,070
when it comes to that I find

653
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:39,919
mainstreaming a topic helpful when it

654
00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:41,809
comes to finding answers to questions

655
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:43,820
and I'm wondering if you believe that

656
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,010
mainstreaming is going to be able to

657
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:48,320
help you follow gee answer the big

658
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:50,780
questions that they have we see this

659
00:28:55,390 --> 00:28:53,990
with Alzheimer's with cancer muscular

660
00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:55,400
dystrophy with the telethons

661
00:28:59,500 --> 00:28:57,080
it helps to raise money but it also

662
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,510
helps to develop answers do you think

663
00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:01,490
that we're going to be getting those

664
00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:03,740
answers faster as a result of something

665
00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:06,950
like alien stock I think that ufology

666
00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:09,980
really represents that carrot being

667
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:11,780
dangled in front of us to be completely

668
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:14,030
honest I don't think we're ever really

669
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:16,130
going to reach it I think what

670
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,000
UFOs are they are so beyond our concept

671
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:23,700
of our own realities our own logic

672
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,140
possibly our own sons to really get that

673
00:29:31,639 --> 00:29:29,760
answer and I also don't think there's

674
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:31,649
one answer to us I wish they could be a

675
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:33,450
million different things or represent

676
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:36,210
things completely different but in terms

677
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:37,740
of what you mentioned you know let's say

678
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:41,279
curing cancer Alzheimer's um I hope we

679
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:44,010
do those things first I hope we do a lot

680
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,529
of things before we saw the UFO question

681
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:49,440
and I might get pillaged by the UFO

682
00:29:53,629 --> 00:29:51,210
community for saying something like that

683
00:29:55,639 --> 00:29:53,639
but I love the journey and the people

684
00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:55,649
I've met in terms of the ethology the

685
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:57,990
stories I've heard some of the things

686
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,659
that I've even seen but I also have

687
00:30:05,509 --> 00:30:03,299
family members and friends and a job and

688
00:30:08,509 --> 00:30:05,519
a whole other life outside of UFOs as

689
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:08,519
I'm sure you do or your colleagues and

690
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:11,370
we have real-world issues that need

691
00:30:17,629 --> 00:30:15,299
attention so I'm hoping maybe some of

692
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:17,639
the technology these UFOs represents

693
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:19,230
that were witnessing coming from the

694
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:22,230
military or civilians maybe this

695
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,830
technology someday to be harnessed to

696
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:27,480
better humanity how cure these diseases

697
00:30:32,419 --> 00:30:30,630
and that's a huge hypothetical you know

698
00:30:36,019 --> 00:30:32,429
something I I don't think we could ever

699
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:36,029
really predict but I've lost family

700
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:38,190
members I've lost friends to the news or

701
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:41,250
drugs or mental health issues so if we

702
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:43,740
can focus our energies again on being

703
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,529
better humans I I think we could really

704
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:48,899
be better off when that day comes that

705
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,480
maybe an alien race does decide or

706
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,480
worthy of making contact with them let's

707
00:30:59,720 --> 00:30:57,059
say we finally earned that spot at the

708
00:31:02,060 --> 00:30:59,730
Galactic table but for now I like what

709
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:02,070
I'm doing my contributions to the UFO

710
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:04,380
conversation and I'm enjoying the

711
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,070
tyranny

712
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,200
I think UFOs really say more about

713
00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:09,299
ourselves than it possibly could any

714
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:15,860
well that's it for this week's ask cast

715
00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:17,880
I hope you have a new appreciation for

716
00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:21,270
the study of UFOs and maybe may want to

717
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:24,620
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00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,520
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